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Post by gortonboy on Mar 8, 2011 14:31:51 GMT -1
Just been to visit Philips park cemetery and although most of it is in pretty good condition,,i was a bit miffed at the state of the I consecrated section,,,these are communal graves and the stones are laid flat.Most of these are invisible to the eye as they have been left to "grass over". I dont think it would have been too much trouble to keep this from happening. I was looking for a couple of graves on behalf of a fellow manmates member,,,but i had no chance of finding them  Not a wasted journey though,,,said hello to my great great grandparents ;D |
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Post by lin on Mar 8, 2011 15:45:36 GMT -1
Hi Mike...I take it that it was myself you were looking for a couple graves for? I wonder why the grass has not been cut, maybe it will be in the summer? or is that wishful thinking? I think this is why they won't allow any sort of curb stones around the graves in most cemeteries here now, its easier for them to cut the grass...The grave stones I told you about where my gran and grandad are in Philips park the headstones are all laid down flat and very often when we have been there the grass has been around your ankles..my friend in Ashton said a lot of cemeteries lay the older headstones down ~ she was told a lot of them have fell down of were halfway down and they are a danger (Health and safety) If I had the time and weather when we have been there I would at least try and paint the stone up again like we used to years ago..just white and black lettering...but there again if the grass are going to cover them up there seems no point...sad that its left to get in a state like that..anyway never mind Mike, thanks for your time and help, all assuming it was me were looking for the graves for.  |
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Post by gortonboy on Mar 8, 2011 16:56:07 GMT -1
Hi Lin...yes it was your rellies i was looking for,,,only found one !! George Ancoats d 7/5/1902 do you want the photo?  he was the one b c1852 |
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Post by gortonboy on Mar 8, 2011 17:03:15 GMT -1
the graves dont just have grass over them,,,,they have been left for so long they are buried under a layer of earth with grass over the top of that,,,,the family grave for walter seaton which was in a different section doesnt appear to have a stone,,,
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Post by lin on Mar 8, 2011 17:21:46 GMT -1
Hi Lin...yes it was your rellies i was looking for,,,only found one !! George Ancoats d 7/5/1902 do you want the photo? he was the one b c1852 Hi Mike...yes I would love a photo, will try and have a look ourselfs the next time we can get up there for any length of time, not just the weekend....thank you for trying, but would love the one you have got...that name seems to be the one ebedded in my mind for some reason not done anymore for a couple days but will get back to it...not sleeping too good for some reason. |
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Post by lin on Mar 8, 2011 17:23:56 GMT -1
the graves dont just have grass over them,,,,they have been left for so long they are buried under a layer of earth with grass over the top of that,,,,the family grave for walter seaton which was in a different section doesnt appear to have a stone,,, Mike...they may have taken the headstone away, they took my grans curb stone away just leaving the headstone and that grave was marble and new compared to the old type. |
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Post by gortonboy on Mar 8, 2011 17:32:47 GMT -1
they are there,,,,you can tell by ripping up the turf,,,,,but you would need a spade to clean them up properley ...
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Post by lin on Mar 8, 2011 18:00:55 GMT -1
You Never know Mike, if I know exactly where to go I'll bring my wellies and spade... ;d ;d ;d
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Post by lin on Mar 8, 2011 20:40:46 GMT -1
Thanks Mike, emailed you. |
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Post by gortonboy on Mar 9, 2011 12:33:09 GMT -1
ok ,,,i have e-mailed you a cemetery plan ;D
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Post by Charlie Hind (Female) on Mar 9, 2011 12:37:28 GMT -1
Hi Mike. My parents are both buried in Southern Cemetry. There is a section there practically the same as you have described. It's rediculous that they are not well kept. Even if the families are no longer living or not around for whatever reason to keep them cleared which they shouldn't have to do. There should be a way of the cemetary maintaining & clearing to upkeep the area's :-D
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Post by gortonboy on Mar 9, 2011 12:43:32 GMT -1
hI,,,i am with you on that,,,,,i was at Southern a while ago,,,i was shocked to see broken up gravestones on a rubbish tip !!!
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Post by lin on Mar 9, 2011 17:25:56 GMT -1
ok ,,,i have e-mailed you a cemetery plan ;D Ok got that thanks Mick. |
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Post by lin on Mar 9, 2011 17:30:47 GMT -1
Hi Charlie...know what you mean, we have family buried in Southern Cemetery, and its gone down hill in parts, no one there to take care of the graves either, so when we go back to M/C each year we do the tour of Southern and Philips Park, trry and clean up the stones as best we can and put flowers down...but loads of stones have been broken laid down...they actually took the curbing stone off my grans grave....its sad to see how the place has been neglected.
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Post by lin on Mar 9, 2011 20:18:10 GMT -1
Well Jedders I think I would have a job offering to help clean up the cemeteries in M/c being that I live in Cornwall but I always go to the cemetries that I know my family are in. Down here you are only expected to look after the gravestones of your families...I get told off for cutting the grass around my parents grave, but they don't do it often ~ yet they don't allow curbstones around graves for the simple reason its easier for them to cut, so they are to blame for that. I will continue to cut the grass whether they like it or not, we paid for that plot. As for the family graves in M/C there is no one left there that would even know about them, and all my family moved to cornwall...sad really. |
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Post by Lisa on Mar 10, 2011 2:23:07 GMT -1
I dont think they would let anyone volunteer to clean up the cemeteries....our good old HEALTH AND SAFETY has seen to that!!! Regarding the flat grave stones at Phillips park cemetery, they take a bit of working out most of the time that is if there is one still there, but you can locate them. It just means you may have to uncover a few befor you find the correct gravestone. In there favour, they are in 100% mint condition, so that a plus. As for the state of the cemeteries, it is only with this new found interest in family history that people even bother to go to these cemeteries. Most people including my self, never bothered with them for years. At least Manchester council are trying to put right the years of neglect, the shame has to be carried bye every person in Manchester for doing nothing befor. How many who come on this site volunteer there free time to any help regarding the Manchester cemeteries? |
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Post by lin on Mar 10, 2011 9:00:51 GMT -1
Hi Jedders...Knew what you were saying, but got no groups here they won't allow it.
Curbing stones do hinder grass cutting, I just think the councils are a bit hypocritical taking the curbing stones away and then not cutting the grass for weeks so it's nearly covering some of the headstones.
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Post by Lisa on Mar 12, 2011 4:47:49 GMT -1
Hi Jedders, I agree about the dog fouling. No respect to allow a dog to foul anywhere let alone in a graveyard. I suspect they think they wont be caught in there. I'm thinking of buying one of those megahorns.....I keep seeing people on my road walking their dogs and allowing them to foul the verges - right under the notices saying £1000 fine. Its nearly always just as it goes dark hoping they will not be seen. I opened my window once and shouted at the top of my voice "If you dont pick that S H I T up it'll come through your letter-box in ten minutes". It was so funny watching the woman looking around to see where this voice was coming from. She came back five minutes later to pick it up. Now I want to buy one of those megaphones and do it every time I see someone letting their dog foul and not picking it up. IRRESPONSIBLE what I call them.   I find to many cemeteries allow people to put all sorts in the cemeteries, wind chimes/toys flags plastic covering/rails and really make the cemeteries look so tacky. Another thing i don't get is why do they allow or even more so, why do people take dogs in the cemeteries? Every one i talk to says" Oh! always pick up any mess my dog makes" yea! like we all know thats true. I see so much dog fouling in my travels around the cemeteries and they wee all over the place, try and get that in a pooper scooper. Any one who need cemetery maps/plans, this site has most of Manchester & Salford's. www.twbaird.co.uk/cemplans/plansindex.html |
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