PRIME MINISTER? What would you do?

[Lisa]

If you could be Prime Minister of England, what would be the first thing you'd do? Lets get talking about how we'd change this wonderful isle that we live in. How would we do things differently? What would be the first thing you'd change or implement?

[Lisa]

I can think of a hundred things I'd do to change the malaise that has taken over this wonderful country of ours.
1. Bring back National Service. That should get all the layabouts off the streets and give them a sense of pride in their appearance and get them to learn about responsibility, accountability, taking orders and, above all, a sense of pride in being British.
2. Have a curfew from dusk to dawn on youths hanging about on street corners.
3. Ban Hoodies.
4. Give the Police back their powers of arrest, with no restrictions.
5. Ban the Human Rights Act and replace it with something more in line with fairness.
6. Allow householders to protect their property without fear of being sued by the perpetrators
7. Get rid of the Compensation Culture that is so destructive to this society.
8. Give Judges lessons in 'the real world' and not the 'ivory-tower world' they seem to live in.
9. Lock up anyone who breaks the law, no matter how trivial, banning the 'Three Strikes and You're Out'.
10. Put Paedophiles on an island and let them sink or swim.

To name but a few. Come on folks, add your comments.......

[lin]

Hi Lisa....what can I say, you've took most of the words out of my mouth.
national service most definitely...they still do this in Egypt, they have to serve 3 years before they can work, once they do start work, if business is slow like it can be in these holiday places, they still have to go back to the army either for 3 days a week, work the rest, all depending on slack work is...or they have to go in for at least 2 afternoons a week...and boy are they respectful.
Curfews they have done in certain areas of Plymouth, we were trying to get them here in Cornwall, but the people of Cornwall being who they are won't hear of it...so I would certainly make sure that went ahead whether they liked it or not.
Paedophiles would be put on an island surrounded by shark infested waters if I had my way, no food, no water.
I won't go on too much because I will just be repeating everything you have put, great minds think alike aye?
I kind of think an eye for an eye, which take me to the latest news here, someone has recently been catching cats and pulling their claws out one by one, they should have their nails pulled out one by one..I know there are people who won't agree with this but I think they should get a taste of their own medicine, and I still they should bring back hanging, or maybe lethal injection, for murder where there is absolutely no doubt at all that the person they have got is guilty...all terrorists should be treated likewise.
There are so many other things that I would change..in fact I would make it harder for layabouts and thugs, pay less social security, and get them out to work, there are loads of them who live not too far from me...there's one family in particular has been having kids for the last twelve year, she breeds them like rabbits, and they proudly announce the more kids they have the the more money they get from the Government, none of them or their older kids work..makes my blood boil Lisa, think I better stop there for now...grrr!!

Lin

[Lisa]

Hi Lin, Well said. I, too, could have added more to the list but I'd get stoned for saying it. Better keep my mouth shut, FOR NOW........

[lin]

Hi Lisa...yes I know what you mean.

I think we should also stop everyone coming to this little island, it's getting smaller and smaller, and lets face it, these people who come here are used for cheap labour..some may call that, what Jade was being accused of, and I don't think it's right.
They're still human beings.

Lin

[Lisa]

Hi Lin, Just seen a trailer for a program next week on Ch4 called NEVER DID ME ANY HARM where they take some of today's spoilt children back to the 1950's and see if they can cope with the discipline and lack of amenities. Just up my street. Did you ever watch the similar program where they took youngsters back to 1950's schooling? They nearly all failed the O'levels of the 1950's. Says a lot about today's education doesnt it.......keep a watch out for the program........

[lin]

Hi Lisa....Yes I did watch the program when they took the kids to a 1950's school, I think that spoke volumes about todays kids, education and the dimwits who are running the country these days, and to be perfectly honest I don't think it seems to matter which party get in, they're all the same( putting it politely, the saying, they all p e e in the same pot.....I also think the discipline we had as kids didn't do us any harm at all, whether it was fear or respect it was better than today where the kids know they can do what they want and no one can touch them.

Lin

[Lisa]

Hi Lin, I think that FEAR and RESPECT and closely entwined just like LOVE and HATE. I adored my father, but respected him and feared him at the same time. It wasnt the kind of fear that made me feel unsafe, I think it was the kind of fear of not wanting to let him down. He rarely hit me because just the sound of his voice made me know I'd crossed the boundary. Most fathers in my area were like that. It makes me wonder whether the FATHER's role has diminished in some way these days, just like the mother's role. I wouldnt dare to have spoken to my mother like some children do today. One reason could be that too many mothers try to make FRIENDS of their children. Mothers should be mothers, children have enough of their own friends. I remember once asking a child calling ChildLine what she wanted from her mother and her reply was "I want her to be like a mother....."

[tony38337]

Ooooh dear! I see danger on the horizon, hmm; frustrating when you see thugs and yobs getting away with their crimes. I don't think that giving the police unlimited powers of arrest is a good idea though, in fact I think they should be more accountable for their actions, I think Jean Charles Menezes's family would subscribe to that as would the family of Stephen Kishko who served 16 years for killing a little girl only to be exonerated years later on DNA evidence, sadly he never got over it and died, I think the year after he was released. In fact you don't have to dig too deep to find other instances of injustice. Far from giving the Police unlimited powers I would make the senior officers responsible for these miscarriages of justice serve the sentences of their victims and pay any pension earned to them too. As for the yobs, I watched a thing called Revenge TV the other night, there were several instances of yobs blatantly throwing bricks through a couples house windows and trashing their car whilst being recorded on CCTV. The couple were physically attacked the man quite badly beaten, that was after this so called problem family had been evicted from the estate because of the couples complaints. One or more of these attackers got four years prison. Question, what were the police doing?, knowing that this sort of behaviour was a possibility and more importantly what are they going to do when these jerks come out of jail? I mean if it doesn't bother them being filmed committing their crime I don't see them rolling over and calling it quits when they come out. I don't see National Service as a solution either, if they refuse to obey the law then I think they would refuse to do National Service, once again it would be left to the decent kids in society to do the NS time giving up 18 mths to two years of what would probably be contributive lives to society. I certainly agree with the points raised, I'm not sure what the solution would bee though, it really is a tough one.

Tony T

[lin]

I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS A QUICK SOLUTION TO ALL OF THESE THIINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE...BUT I STILL THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE NATIONAL SERVICE, IN FACT I THINK IF THEY WERE TREATED HARSHER LIKE OUR FATHERS AND FATHERS BEFORE THEM TILL THEY GET THE MESSAGE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING THEN THEY WILL GET THE MESSAGE...THEY SAY WHEN A MAN BEATS HIS WIFE, OR VERBIALLY ABUSES HER, HE BRAIN WASHES HER, WELL THAT COULD BE THE CASE WITH THESE YOUNGSTERS, GET THEM JOINED UP, BE HARD WITH THEM AND DON'T LET UP TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT AND GET THE MESSAGE THAT THEY WILL DO AS THEY'RE TOLD, AND THEY WILL STAY IN NATIONAL SERVICE UNTIL THEY DO....THE TROUBLE WITH THIS COUNTRY IS WE ARE TOO SOFT.
I'VE WATCHED THE PROGRAMS THAT TONY HAS TALKED ABOUT, IN FACT THERE WAS ONE ON TODAY WHERE BOTH THE MAN AND WOMEN ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS, THEY HAVE A BABY DAUGHTER, EACH TIME THE WOMAN TRIED TO GOT TO THE PARK WITH HER DAUGHTER SHE GETS STONED BY THESE TWO KIDS AGE 10 AND 11...THEY'VE HAD THEIR HOME BROKEN INTO AND WRECKED, THESE KIDS EVEN BURNT A HOUSE DOWN, WHAT DO THEY GET? A SLAP ON THE WRIST....SORRY BUT IF I WAS OUT THERE AND SOMEONE DONE THAT THEN IT WOULD BE ME WHO ENDS UP INSIDE, BUT THE KID WOULD BE SORRY HE WAS BORN BY THE TIME I HAD FINISHED WITH HIM...ANOTHER ONE TODAY, 5 YEARS OLD BEATING ON A MAN IN HIS 90'S...WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THIS COUNTRY, OR MORE TO THE PATHETIC LAWS WE HAVE HERE? THIS OF COURSE IS MY OPINION, AND NEARLY EVERYONES OPINION THAT I SPEAK TO...THE WESTERN WORLD HAS GONE TO THE DOGS...SORRY BUT THAT IS HOW I FEEL.

LIN

[fluffymoat4]

No National Service please...! Why should our teenage son be made to go into National Service when he has done nothing wrong and is attending College so he can further his skills before he enters into the workforce? If he was a yob, going round breaking peoples windows and setting fire to their property then he's certainly not the type that would turn up and do National Service anyway. I don't see that National Service made my father a better man - if anything it turned him into a bully and, although I loved him to pieces, I chose a man who was the complete opposite of him to marry. My husband served with the Territorial Army and the discipline was as strict as in the regularly army but he saw youngsters enter the TA in order to add strings to their bows, giving themselves something to do of a weekend and earn a few extra bob into the bargain. I don't think they ever had yobs queueing up to join because of the discipline aspect.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!!

[Lisa]

Hi Lin, I agree about National Service and it wouldnt be OPTIONAL - it would be COMPULSORY. My brothers were totally different once they'd done National Service and it changed them from spoilt boys into respectful MEN. It taught them skills they would never have normally have learned, it taught them respect for authority and in the end, a sense of pride in themselves and their country. I think once a boy reaches 17 he should be conscripted into either the Navy, Airforce or Army and should serve 4 years as they do in other countries where YOBS dont seem to be a problem. We have become such a NANNY country where teenagers are allowed to get away with almost 'anything' and rule the streets that it makes me wonder if we will ever get the RESPECT back in this country.

[lin]

Hi Lisa..yes I still stand by what I said, national service, lets face it these yobs and bullies are only that way when they're in a gang, put them with some real men who are serving their life time in the services and lets see how they bully them...we travel a lot to other countries, and I have to admire them in the Middle East, obviously not the likes of Iraq...but on the whole you don't see or hear of any of this going on in those countires, and when you think these kids don't have anything let alone anything like our kids, they are so respectful, do as they are told, and work d**n hard in school....they are so grateful for a pen, a sweet, anything that you give them...I will also say, they are very, very street wise, they have to be because they are out there in the evenings or on school breaks selling products that their mother, grans, sisters and aunts make, to tourists, they would run rings round out kids...and it doesn't matter how many times you say no to them they say ok thank you , have a nice day lady...you can see them the next day, and they will greet you just the same saying hello madam how are you today, welcome to our country...can you see our kids being like that? I certainly can't...these kids are so young as well, which is a shame that they have to go out and sell things, but they are the happiest kids I've ever set eyes upon.
The thing is, they know what will happen to them in their countries if they should steal, and if they end up in prison, which I can honestly say is enough to scare the life out of you...and as for mugging old people it just doesn't enter their heads.
I have lots of friends as Iv'e mentioned before, in Egypt, they've all done national service, and said they got to love it....they won't have anyone walking about or hanging around on the streets if they don't have work, which can't be a bad thing.

Lin

[lin]

fluffymoat4 said:

No National Service please...! Why should our teenage son be made to go into National Service when he has done nothing wrong and is attending College so he can further his skills before he enters into the workforce? If he was a yob, going round breaking peoples windows and setting fire to their property then he's certainly not the type that would turn up and do National Service anyway. I don't see that National Service made my father a better man - if anything it turned him into a bully and, although I loved him to pieces, I chose a man who was the complete opposite of him to marry. My husband served with the Territorial Army and the discipline was as strict as in the regularly army but he saw youngsters enter the TA in order to add strings to their bows, giving themselves something to do of a weekend and earn a few extra bob into the bargain. I don't think they ever had yobs queueing up to join because of the discipline aspect.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!!

Hi Mo...I don't see why not, as long as they're not sent to war, but have to work d**n hard, it's people like your own son who would be a good influence on others doing national service.

Yobs won't queue up for anything only to beat teh crap out of someone asnd they have to be in a gang to do that, they're basically a bunch of cowards....sorry it's just my views.

Lin

[lin]

I AGREE WITH YOU TOMMY IN SOME WAYS, BUT UT FIRSTLY STARTS WITH THE RULES OF THE LAND, NOT THE PARENTS, THE PARENTS HANDS ARE TIED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT...THINGS DO NEED TO BE CHANGED, AND THEN IT'S DOWN TO THE PARENTS THEMSELVES, TEACHERS ETC...AND IT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE FAR TOO SOFT IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY NEED HORSE...WHIPPING.

Lisa what have you started off here?

Lin

[Lisa]

Hi Lin, What have I started? A topic that generates people-input, I hope, and it seems to have got people thinking and sharing their thoughts, ideas, prejudices and life's experiences, which is a good thing. From what I've read so far, we all seem to be of the opinion that there is something seriously wrong with the way our country is governed. Has anyone any ideas on why and when all this malais started? It could be the breakdown of family life, no proper role models, lack of church attendance and influence, materialistic greed.......etc., What do you all think?

lin said:

I AGREE WITH YOU TOMMY IN SOME WAYS, BUT UT FIRSTLY STARTS WITH THE RULES OF THE LAND, NOT THE PARENTS, THE PARENTS HANDS ARE TIED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT...THINGS DO NEED TO BE CHANGED, AND THEN IT'S DOWN TO THE PARENTS THEMSELVES, TEACHERS ETC...AND IT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE FAR TOO SOFT IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY NEED HORSE...WHIPPING.

Lisa what have you started off here?

Lin

[lin]

HI LISA...IT CERTAINLY HAS GOT SOME PEOPLE TALKING...YOU'VE OPENED A CAN OF WORMS HERE...YOU SHOULD AWARD YOURSELF FOR TOPIC OF THE YEAR...LOL!
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN IT STARTED, MAYBE ENOCH POWELL HAD THE RIGHT IDEA ABOUT IMMIGRANTS, AND THAT IS NOT MEANING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT WE ARE BECOMING VASTLY OVER POPULATED FOR SUCH A SMALL ISLAND.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THE FACTORS YOU MENTIONED THAT ADDED TO THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY TODAY...AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE GOT WORSE WITH THE KIDS SINCE WE WERE TOLD NO TO SMACKING, WHICH I'M AFRAID IF I HAD KIDS THEY WOULD STILL GET ONE IF NEEDS BE, OBVIOUSLY I DO NOT AGREE WITH KIDS BEING ABUSED, BUT THERE MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER WAY AROUND THAT.
ALSO IT'S LED TO THE BREAKDOWN OF FAMILY LIFE, PARENTS ARE NOT ALWAYS TO BLAME SOLEY, THEY ARE AT THEIR WITS ENDS SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE KIDS AS THEY ONCE HAD...AND THERE ARE THOSE THAT LET THE KIDS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT ON TO DO BECAUSE THEY THINK THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT, AND THERFORE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, THIS HAS BEEN PUT IN THEIR HEADS THROUGH GOVERNMENT AND POWERS TO BE...THE KIDS GET WHAT THEY WANT, AND THEY'RE STILL NOT HAPPY, THEY WANT MORE, THEY APPEAR TO ME, TO BE RUNNING RINGS AROUND NOT OLY THEIR PARENTS BUT ANY AUTHORITY THEY CAN...SO YES THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF FACTORS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HERE.

I'M TRYING TO CONTAIN MYSELF HERE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT REALLY MAKE MY BLOOD BOIL...PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME, THE GOVERNMENT ARE THICK AS TWO SHORT PLANKS AND CAN'T SEE FURTHER THAN THEIR NOSES...I SAY TO THAT, THEY DO SEE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE DONE BUT WON'T ADMIT TO IT, AND NOW THEY'RE STUCK.

LIN.

[lin]

I ALSO AGREE WITH THAT TOMMY, I KNOW THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON TV AFTER THE WATERSHED, BUT SOME THINGS I HAVE SEEN HAVE BEEN WELL BEFORE THE WATERSHED.
OUR THINGS THAT WERE NAUGHTY WHEN WE WERE YOUNG WAS SOMETHING TRIVIAL LIKE A BALL GOING IN A GARDEN, WHICH WE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND ASKED FOR, NOT THINKING WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO ONTO PEOPLES PROPERTY TRAMPLING ALL OVER THEERE PLANTS WHENEVER THEY LIKE, HERE THEY DELIBERATELY KICK THE BALLS AT YOUR WINDOWS, WHICH IS AN ANNOYANCE, YOU CAN'T TALK TO THE PARENTS BECAUSE THEY GET ABUSIVE, YOU CALL THE POLICE AND THEY CAN'T HELP, AND THEY SAY THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO IN YOUR GARDEN, AS DOES THE MAILMAN, MILKMAN ETC....COUNCIL SAY IT'S THE POLICES DOMAIN, THE POLICE SAY IT'S THE COUNCILS DOMAIN, EVERYONE PASSES THE BUCK.
TALK TO THE KIDS HERE POLITELY AND THEY LAUGH IN YOUR FACE, THERE IS ONE OLD GUY HERE WHO IS AS NICE A PERSON YOU COULD WISH TO MEET, HE GIVES THE KIDS GIFTS EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS THEY KEEP WRECKING HIS GARDEN, ALL THEY DO IS LAUGH AT HIM...SO IT WORKS BOTH WAYS TOMMY, THEY GIVE YOU RESPECT THEN THEY GET RESPECT, TROUBLE IS THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD.
BACK TO THEM KICKING BALLS IN YOUR GARDEN AND AT YOUR WINDOWS, WE HAD THAT CONSTANTLY HERE, PARENTS DON'T WANT TO KNOW UNTIL YOU KEEP THE KIDS BALLS...I DONE THIS AND CALLED THE POLICE TO SAY WHAT I HAD DONE, THE PARENTS CALLED THE POLICE AND THEN THE POLICE CALLED ME TO GIVE THE BALL BACK AS IT'S NOT MY PROPERTY...I TOLD THEM MY GARDEN IS NOT THEIR PROPERTY...ALSO TOLD THE POLICE I AM NOT GIVING THE BALL BACK AND WILL HAND IT INTO THE POLICE STATION NEXT TIME I AM IN THE AREA OR I WILL BRING THE BAG FULL OF BALLS I HAVE GOT AND DUMP THEM ON THE COUNCIL DESKS...THE POLICE CAME OUT AND ASKED ME TO MY FACE TO RETURN THE BALL WHILE THE KIDS WERE THERE LAUGHING AT WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD IT IN THE BAG....I TOLD THE POLICE, I WAS BROUGHT UP TO HAND ANYTHING I FIND INTO THE POLICE STATION, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM GOING TO DO, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S BALL IT IS, WOULD YOU GIVE OUT LOST PROPERTY YO ANYONE WHO COME INTO THE POLICE STATION TO CLAIM IT? ( I DON'T THINK SO) IF THE KIDS WANT THEIR BALL THEN THE PARENTS WHO DON'T WORK CAN HAVE THE INCONVIENIENCE AND COST OF GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE POLICE STATION TO COLLECT IT, SEEING AS I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE INCONVIENIENCE OF GETTING UP AND DOWN ALL NIGHT GIVING THE BALL BACK TO THEIR KIDS, AND I AM QUITE IN MY RIGHT TO DO SO....WE USED TO HAVE THIS UP TO MIDNIGHT EVERY DARN NIGHT, AND IT'S A LITTLE PLACE WE LIVE IN, NOT SUITABLE FOR BALL GAMES AT ALL, THERE NEVER USED TO BE BALL GAMES ALLOWED, BUT ONCE AGAIN THE KIDS GOT THEIR OWN WAY, THEY'VE DUG THE GREEN UP ALONG WITH TWO OF THE PARENTS SO THEY PLAY THROWING MUD AROUND...SHOWS THE MENTALITY OF THE PARENTS DOESN'T IT?
I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED AROUND HERE, AND IT WOULD MAKE YOUR HAIR STAND ON END...THING IS I WON'T PUT UP WITH IT...WHAT THEY DO TO ME I DO TO THEM, MAY NOT BE RIGHT, BUT NO ONE ELSE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

LIN

[tony38337]

Where did it all begin?................. Way back in the 1950's when I was at junior school I remember a boys father threatening a teacher in front of a crowd of his sons classmates, the kid had fired a paperclip from an elastic band and hit another child in the face. The teacher was outraged and walloped the lad responsible, the girl was treated by the nurse and sent home and that would be that. Now for my part if I'd been the shooter I wouldn't have breathed a word about my shenanigans at home 'cause I would have copped another walloping but the story was related all over the area and probably gave other people ideas. I think that for the first time in history the common man was beginning to resent bullying by the ruling classes in a head to head kind of way. I think that this is where common sense began to get lost, from this point on the issue became not the crime but how it's dealt with and taking into account any mitigating factors that may have contributed to the miss demeanour. In a fairly easy move we have taught a generation how to disrespect authority and get away with it. How on earth can that generation teach respect to their children? I think that some teachers did abuse their powers, (Maybe some still do) There are ways of dealing with it that do not mislead the children. I can see that our Fathers returning from a war would want to ensure that their children were not ill treated, (Remember David Lloyd George's quote about a land fit for heroes?) The price of this is that common sense gets lost and we find ourselves asking several generations later "What went wrong?"

The TV watershed is a joke. Just look at Enema dale, on at prime time, who's humping whom? Who killed Tom King? What dodgy deal is Eric Pollard up to now? Yes Tommy your spot on if kids get used to watching violence on TV it becomes an everyday norm. I seem to have read in the press a while ago that the fastest growing Internet business is porn. I find that quite shocking because if a thing like that grows it's because people want it, scary uh?

Whatever the solution is I just hope they find it quick, before it's too late.

[lin]

Yes Tony, the watershed is a joke, and I can't see any point in it what so ever when kids can still buy all these game of war or what have you, the killing in them is as bad as anything that Emmerdale shows...I seem to recall that after 911 there was going to be no more movies made of this sort of thing, what happened there then? they're still pushing them out, so they're just a bunch of hypocrites who constantly contradict themselves, it's people like this who are running our country, and I still think kids need a good clip around the earhole when they do wrong...but now it's different..where I live was once called a sleepy little Hamlet, not anymore. I have lost count how many times I've seen kids attack and hit their parents outside, and I mean hit them so bad at times that the ambulance has had to be called...what happens there, absolutely nothing, they are too young to go to prison, the police reckon their hands are tied and they can't do anything about it other than talk to them. I've chatted to the police about it and they find it very frustrating, they seem to agree that it wouldn't harm these kids to have a good hiding but of course they can't touch them...so the kids win again, they walk away laughing about it, and talking to the parents it seems that they tried to explain to their kids that they can't have something or go somewhere etc...the kids of today will just not listen...I would never have dreamt of raining my hand to my parents, and god forbid if I ever did, I know I would have had seven bells knocked out of me
But I do agree too much is seen on tv these days, we wasn't even aloud to look at a newspaper when I was young...so I really don't know where a generation has been lost.

I don't think things will change now either, besides how long will the planet be here with global warming? the way they're talking there's nothing they can do about that either.

Lin

[bodzy3]

If I was Prime Minister, I would desolve Parliment that day, As we do not need them, All we need is a Police Force and an Army

[lin]

YOU COULD BE RIGHT, PARLIMENT IS A WASTE OF SPACE.

LIN

[Lisa]

::)Hi Lin, Simple solution : Puncture the ball before throwing it back. As long as they dont see you doing it, they cant blame you

lin said:

I ALSO AGREE WITH THAT TOMMY, I KNOW THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON TV AFTER THE WATERSHED, BUT SOME THINGS I HAVE SEEN HAVE BEEN WELL BEFORE THE WATERSHED.
OUR THINGS THAT WERE NAUGHTY WHEN WE WERE YOUNG WAS SOMETHING TRIVIAL LIKE A BALL GOING IN A GARDEN, WHICH WE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND ASKED FOR, NOT THINKING WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO ONTO PEOPLES PROPERTY TRAMPLING ALL OVER THEERE PLANTS WHENEVER THEY LIKE, HERE THEY DELIBERATELY KICK THE BALLS AT YOUR WINDOWS, WHICH IS AN ANNOYANCE, YOU CAN'T TALK TO THE PARENTS BECAUSE THEY GET ABUSIVE, YOU CALL THE POLICE AND THEY CAN'T HELP, AND THEY SAY THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GO IN YOUR GARDEN, AS DOES THE MAILMAN, MILKMAN ETC....COUNCIL SAY IT'S THE POLICES DOMAIN, THE POLICE SAY IT'S THE COUNCILS DOMAIN, EVERYONE PASSES THE BUCK.
TALK TO THE KIDS HERE POLITELY AND THEY LAUGH IN YOUR FACE, THERE IS ONE OLD GUY HERE WHO IS AS NICE A PERSON YOU COULD WISH TO MEET, HE GIVES THE KIDS GIFTS EVEN THOUGH HE KNOWS THEY KEEP WRECKING HIS GARDEN, ALL THEY DO IS LAUGH AT HIM...SO IT WORKS BOTH WAYS TOMMY, THEY GIVE YOU RESPECT THEN THEY GET RESPECT, TROUBLE IS THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD.
BACK TO THEM KICKING BALLS IN YOUR GARDEN AND AT YOUR WINDOWS, WE HAD THAT CONSTANTLY HERE, PARENTS DON'T WANT TO KNOW UNTIL YOU KEEP THE KIDS BALLS...I DONE THIS AND CALLED THE POLICE TO SAY WHAT I HAD DONE, THE PARENTS CALLED THE POLICE AND THEN THE POLICE CALLED ME TO GIVE THE BALL BACK AS IT'S NOT MY PROPERTY...I TOLD THEM MY GARDEN IS NOT THEIR PROPERTY...ALSO TOLD THE POLICE I AM NOT GIVING THE BALL BACK AND WILL HAND IT INTO THE POLICE STATION NEXT TIME I AM IN THE AREA OR I WILL BRING THE BAG FULL OF BALLS I HAVE GOT AND DUMP THEM ON THE COUNCIL DESKS...THE POLICE CAME OUT AND ASKED ME TO MY FACE TO RETURN THE BALL WHILE THE KIDS WERE THERE LAUGHING AT WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD IT IN THE BAG....I TOLD THE POLICE, I WAS BROUGHT UP TO HAND ANYTHING I FIND INTO THE POLICE STATION, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM GOING TO DO, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S BALL IT IS, WOULD YOU GIVE OUT LOST PROPERTY YO ANYONE WHO COME INTO THE POLICE STATION TO CLAIM IT? ( I DON'T THINK SO) IF THE KIDS WANT THEIR BALL THEN THE PARENTS WHO DON'T WORK CAN HAVE THE INCONVIENIENCE AND COST OF GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE POLICE STATION TO COLLECT IT, SEEING AS I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE INCONVIENIENCE OF GETTING UP AND DOWN ALL NIGHT GIVING THE BALL BACK TO THEIR KIDS, AND I AM QUITE IN MY RIGHT TO DO SO....WE USED TO HAVE THIS UP TO MIDNIGHT EVERY DARN NIGHT, AND IT'S A LITTLE PLACE WE LIVE IN, NOT SUITABLE FOR BALL GAMES AT ALL, THERE NEVER USED TO BE BALL GAMES ALLOWED, BUT ONCE AGAIN THE KIDS GOT THEIR OWN WAY, THEY'VE DUG THE GREEN UP ALONG WITH TWO OF THE PARENTS SO THEY PLAY THROWING MUD AROUND...SHOWS THE MENTALITY OF THE PARENTS DOESN'T IT?
I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED AROUND HERE, AND IT WOULD MAKE YOUR HAIR STAND ON END...THING IS I WON'T PUT UP WITH IT...WHAT THEY DO TO ME I DO TO THEM, MAY NOT BE RIGHT, BUT NO ONE ELSE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

LIN

[lin]

HEY LISA...I PUT A KNIFE RIGHT THROUGH THE BALL IN FRONT OF THE PARENTS KIDS AND POLICE...ONCE I START I DON'T STOP, MADE SURE I WAS ON MY OWN PROPERTY THOUGH, AND NO ONE ELSE WAS AT THE TIME, DIDN'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF THREATENING ANYONE WITH A KNIFE, WHICH I WOULDN'T.

LIN

[Lisa]

Hi Lin, Why dont you start playing Classical music at top volume while they are playing near your home - they will soon move ?

[lin]

I HATE TO SAY IT LISA BUT THEY WOULDN'T HEAR IT, THEIR PARENTS HAVE THEIR SPEAKERS OUTSIDE WITH HEAD BANGING MUSIC ON...I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH THAT THIS WAS SOME TIME BACK, SEEMS TO HAVE QUITENED DOWN NOW..MAYBE BECAUSE I WOULDN'T LET UP TILL THEY GOT THE MESSAGE..WHAT WAS SO ANNOYING WAS ALL YOU COULD HERE IF THE MUSIC WASN'T PLAYING WAS THUD THUD THUD, THEY DIDN'T ONLY PLAY WITH ONE BALL, EACH d**n KID HAD A BALL EACH AND THEY WERE ALL BEING KICKED AROUND...ALL THE PARENT DONE IF YOU DIDN'T GIVE THE BALL BACK WAS GO OUT AND BUY ANOTHER ONE OR TWO...WONDER IF THEY'VE LEARNT AS WELL NOW? THE PARENTS USED TO BE AS BAD AND KICK THE BALLS OVER THE ROOFTOPS OF HOUSES, ANYWHERE IN FACT, NO WONDER THE KIDS WERE LIKE THEY WERE.

LIN